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it and change the tax basis, the treasury has to call on corporate america to change the withholding tables. all of us get taxes withheld. if they're going to change what rate i'm going to be taxed at, they're going to have to change that table. that's not an overnight process. certainly, the treasury can't afford to let that go too long because everybody will be underwithheld. they'll get a big tax bill. there will be a riot among the people if that happens. what i'm watching is the treasury. if they get nervous enough, they'll ask them to change the tax tables. so far it looks like they smell a deal and haven't asked for it yet. you think we're going to get a deal? >> i think they may try to push it to the end. the other thing i'm watching for is the 17th when the president is due to take his family to hawaii. i don't think he wants to be in hawaii without a deal. something is going to come up. >> ron, what about you? >> i thought the resignation of senator jim demint, who was a staunch conservative, which was a surprise departure, tells me the republicans in many ways are throwing in the towe
us come up with a plan that puts america on a long-term, sound basis. paul ryan did that in the house. that plan is sustainable. it changes the debt course of america. the president has yet to lay out anything like that. >> i'll tell you what really struck me in a moment from that interview, but let me keep on with what you're saying. you have called the secretary's claim of $2 in spending cuts for every $1 in tax increases an egregious falsehood. he did say $600 billion in cuts is what is being proposed there. he said it's health care. you said he's not even tinkering with medicare. where are these cuts? >> let me respond to that. they cut providers -- again, these are the hospitals and doctors. $600 billion over ten years. that's a reduction in spending. he's not mentioning the fact that he gives away $1.2 trillion of the sequester. that whole savings that we agreed to as part of the budget control act he eliminates. in other words, that's an additional $1.2 trillion in spending over the current agreement that we're operating under today. it's a $1.2 trillion increase. so there's a
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